Hello everyone. I am Marisol Miranda from EASI equal access to software and information and I want to welcome you all to the first webinar of our four-part series on better e-books with Daisy EPUB and more. Today's presenter

Hi, Marisol, hi, Jeff and hi everyone. Thank you all for being here this is a four-part series. For part two will be Jeff returning next Tuesday the 17th and parts three and four will be May 1 and May 8. Just to help you keep on a straight the time of day should be the same all on Tuesdays, so I look forward to you being with us. I've known Jeff for I think two years, got to know him when I decided I wanted to get easy producer which would let me use an add-in for Word and produce Daisy books and he got me started on that and we've met periodically ever since then. Let me make one other announcement. There was a webinar scheduled for this Saturday on inexpensive and free software and that's been rescheduled till April 21, Saturday, April 21. So that's it and I don't want to take away from Jeff's time, so I'm going to sit back and let Jeff 12 the talking. Jeff you are in charge.

Wow, thank you Norm, thank you very much. I pressed my lock key now so hopefully my microphone will be locked but I think some of you guys as moderators can override me you when needed so if I'm talking too much or if somebody has a question please feel free to do that. I'm not going to talk the whole time either. I'm going to take periodic times where you can ask a question if you'd like as well. So with a group like this I always like to give folks an opportunity to not have to wait until the end to ask your questions if you think of one and want to ask and hopefully we will give you time to do that here quickly. Again, thank you Norm for the introduction. I'm Jeff Brazer from Dolphin computer access and the sales manager here in the US. I've been with Dolphin for almost 3 years here in June. I previously worked at freedom scientific for about nine years. So I'm going on my 12 year in the assistive technology industry and its changing all the time so it might sound like I've been in a while and I guess I have and I've learned a whole lot but there is always more to learn. So it's great to be here and I hope that we will be able to share some of our knowledge with you. We are going to talk about Daisy today. Let me just give you a quick reference background on dolphin first of all. It's a UK based company based in the United Kingdom and we make a series of Daisy tools and what we call alternative format programs a few of which will be going over particularly more in the next webinar next Tuesday the 17^th. So if you like what you hear today I hope you will come back next Tuesday on the 17th anyway we spent working here in the US, dolphin has for many years, the company's been around since 1986 and it started out making these supernova line of products. You may have heard of the supernova screen reading magnification it's the only product in the industry that has screen reading and magnification under one umbrella, built in. It used to be how lunar, it's now well under supernova. Of course we will be talking about that today but I just wanted to familiarize you with dolphin and that's where we got started. In the mid-to-late 90s we actually took on a company from Sweden who manufactured what is now known as the dolphin alternative format products and they've been involved with, we've been involved ever since. In fact the product manager for the dolphin old format products is name is Mattias Karlsson. He's from Sweden and he was actually instrumental in the first standards of Daisy that were put together Daisy 2.02 and that got started back in the 90s of course and that was adopted in 2002 and then the Daisy three standard since developed in 2005 and is where we are still at. So I'm going to start from the very beginning we are going to give you a little introduction about Daisy, what it is, when and why it might be useful and then allow you to ask some questions and then we will get into where you might find it Daisy content not only on the web on the Internet, but also the players both hardware and software that allow you to play Daisy. And that will probably take up a good portion of our time today. What it like to do before we are finished is play a short video that introduces what we call our flagship product for Daisy with dolphin and that is dolphin's easy converter product and not only does that allow you to produce Daisy but allow you to produce a number of different alternative formats as well but Daisy being first in foremost a part of why the product was developed to begin with. And the next week we will talk more about the programs that we offer at dolphin and why you may want to use those but really this is just an informative webinar to get you all familiar more with Daisy and then if it's something you feel like you want to do or maybe you are already doing showing you similar places and some are programs that you might be able to utilize to add it into your workflow at your college or university or if you work at an organization or agency clearly if you deal with blind, low vision, dyslexic folks, anybody with a printed disability I think you will find that are programs that we will talk about will be useful. Something you may want to take a closer look at. I'm going to work from PowerPoint here at least today. I normally don't. When I do these webinars usually I have it set up where folks on the other hand are able to see the program I'm working with and since this is not the case today it might have been a good idea to have a PowerPoint so for next week I might be able to do that or I can show you screenshots of the program as we are moving through. For today with the Daisy discussion I don't think that we needed. What I am going to do is make sure you are familiar with a couple different websites because there are lots of places where you can go to find more information about what I'm talking about and I think I'm introduction page some of these are included but I want to mention I'm just in case you don't see them or for whatever reason they are not. You can write them down. First of all again my name is Jeff Bazer and I'm going to give you my e-mail address because if you don't have a chance to ask a question today or you think of one asked after we are finished you love the content place to send me a note and say you know Jeff this is what I was thinking about tell me my answer and I hopefully will respond that I do know it. But if I don't I will tell you that two. We will get you to some folks that do know the answer. My e-mail is Jeff.Bazer@dolphinUSA.com. Jeff.bazer@dolphinUSA.com. Okay? And the dolphin website, the biggest reason I want to tell you about this right off the bat is because any of the programs that I mentioned to you both today and next week you can go to our website and get a 30 day demo of those programs. You can download it at no charge and you get 30 days of uninterrupted use of the program. So you can take a look at it, run it through its paces, find out if it's going to work for you and you are not out of thing and if it's something you decided you wanted is as easy as us sending you a code via e-mail to unlock the software and you don't have to install it again or anything you can just run it on your machine and you are good to go. If you want the box of course we can allow you to do that as well. But anyway our dolphin website is WWW.yourdolphin.com.your dolphin.com dolphin like to fish.com great place to get more resourceful information on anything we are mentioning and begin to get demos on the products. We do have a series of videos for all of the products as well a few of which we are going to show you here is part of the webinar as well. The other website that I want you to be familiar with and you're going to find a lot more information about the subject at hand here today on this website and that is the Daisy.org and the Daisy Consortium website. That is www.DaisyDAISY.org. So again, www.Daisy.org. Their the first thing you might want to do is sign up for what is called the Daisy planet. That is a newsletter that they produced there as part of the Daisy Consortium and it is really everything you need to know about Daisy. In this months issue there is an article on book share. How they've grown to 170,000 users in just 10 years. So, from conception to conception I think it 10 years also learning Ally formally RSBND about a roundtable digested in Washington DC, so if you want to learn more about Daisy, who is using it, where it is being used, that kind of thing the Daisy planet and the Daisy.org site are great resources for you to market to be able to follow on a regular basis. So why is it that Daisy is becoming more and more popular all the time. Why do we talk about Daisy? Why did norm but these webinars together? Well I've got to tell you I have some personal experiences to share with you here and a little bit but first college start from the very beginning in talking about what is Daisy. You notice that I spelled it DAISY and it's an acronym actually stands for digital access information system. That is exactly what it is. It is a system of files that are put together in such a way that a navigational structure is created. This could be a structure for a textbook. It could be a structure for marketing materials, for your agency or school. It could be for a test that you put together or that your students are taking that you want to create a better more efficient navigable way for them to them to get through it and basically can be used for basically anything. We find it most popular being used for textbooks. And that's where it got started in the first place and again we mentioned a little earlier that the standards were developed in the 90s in the first Daisy 2.02 standard was developed or was actually accepted and put into the official standard in 2002. And ever since there has been more and more Daisy created. Now there are three types of Daisy that are available right now. We call it Daisy multimedia is what we can call it because it is actually presenting the material to you and sometimes more than one faction. You can listen to Daisy has, you can also have Daisy as text or you can have Daisy as synchronized text and audio together. So think about that for a second. It could be just audio it could be the text or it could be to synchronize text and audio together. And one would one be more appropriate than the other. That is a good question and one that we will hopefully be able to answer, but also who uses Daisy, where do we get it? And you might not realize I really think some folks are using Daisy today and don't quite realize that's what it is. Because the three most popular places at least here in the US where Daisy is currently being utilized in where you can't get it is number one, learning Ally, formally RSB at the national Library service, NLS, and third book share, book share.org and each one is a little different as far as the Daisy that is being utilized. So, let's take all of these separately. Learning Ally for example one of the most popular places to order textbooks for students who are blind, visually impaired, print disabled when you order the text from now I used to be on tape they've now got it where you can order a CD or a think even maybe through the website. What happens now is you get whatever kind of media it is delivered on you get a series of files that actually allow you to be able to navigate through this file. And what I mean another organization (inaudible)? By the push of a button you can move by chapter, you can move by sentence by paragraph even by page number. That is very nice. And we will come back to that in just a second to give you a little more detail as to how that is so important and where really applies and where it works. On down to the national Library service NLS prepares another group of folks that use Daisy again most of the places so far that I'm talking about are audio only. In other words when you get a Daisy book from learning Ally were national Library service at least right now it's going to be audio. You will be listening to the book. Just like you put on a cassette tape years and years ago. The difference now being it's all digital number one remember the first word in Daisy is digital. That means the quality is phenomenal. When you listen to it, it sounds great. Remember when we moved from a cassette tapes and eight track tapes and albums to the CD, when was that, back in the mid-80s 1986 I think was a big year for CDs when they began remember how much clearer the audio was, crisp and clean we used to call it. You didn't hear the pops up now but you didn't you're the dirty cassette tapes and sometimes if the tape was under the seat in the car you try to put it in your cassette player and maybe one play, hardly well the CD changed all of that and now the iPods and MP3 files you don't have to worry about any of that anymore. The same thing with talking books. Whether you get them from learning Ally or whether it's the national Library service. Again NLSs are interesting because they have their own and cartridges now and their own players where they deliver Daisy content on it's not cassette player anywhere it is now a newer player that you can slide a cartridge and two or you can download the books yourself if you are savvy enough to be able to do that and then put them on the player itself. The bottom line is it looks a lot like the old cassette players did. It has the big guns and things like that nice insult if you drop it you probably will break it, but it sounds far better than it used to. The nice thing is now is rather than having to rewind and fast-forward to the cassette tape we now can serious a series of press a series of buttons and we can move by chapter in the book. If it is from learning Ally we can move by page number as I mentioned before we can move by section of the book we can move sometimes by paragraph 4 by sentence. This is because of the way it is marked up. And you're going to hear that term quite often when we are talking about Daisy. Is that marked up properly. Did we mark it up. Basically what that means is is the structure set up properly in the book. Is that marked up correctly? If so it is going to work beautifully and your students or yourself will be able to move through the book with these. And you would be amazed if you've ever looked at a Daisy but before we will talk in a little while again about where you can find some sample Daisy material to take a look at but it is pretty phenomenal and I just have to tell you here quickly while we are talking about NLS and learning Ally when I was in college back just a few years ago in the early to mid 90s a Daisy wasn't around yet. We didn't have any digital talking book so I was one of the folks who had to use the old cassette tapes so if my professors told me that I needed to find chapter 15, go to page 589 I had to get my tapes out and figure out well, what tape is this chapter on, not only that when I found the tape, put it in and fast-forward maybe through half a side and maybe it is even on-site to that might take 15 or 10 min., 20 min. before I finally found what I was looking for and anybody who was doing that remembers the beeps, the tones you had to listen to in the fast-forward mode one for each page, and to projector to a long time to figure out where we were going to go. Now all we do is we just press a series of buttons and we are there in just seconds. And it is beautifully and the other thing is it is digital. So again we don't have to worry about the quality of the sound. It sounds as good as it possibly can and we don't have to worry about the tape braking or anything like that. These are digital files. Let's talk about book share just for a second before we give you an opportunity to ask a question. They've had a Daisy from the very beginning but, there Daisy has just been the text of the book. When you just have text much like a screen reader you know when you are any of your folks who don't know I have my used screen readers to work on the web read e-mail to work in MS Word documents to move around the Windows desktop this is synthesized speech they are looking to it is not a real human speaking it is a speech synthesizer, so this is how it works with the Daisy from book share. It is synthesized speech reading the text but again, all of the navigation that we've been talking about here since the beginning of the webinar being able to move by chapter, being able to move by page number, by sentence, by paragraph is all possible within the book share files as well. So remember that when you or your students or anyone you know is downloading book share books there most likely in the book share format they can also be in the DRS format as well if you're going to play, note takers and places like that but Daisy is becoming more and more prevalent all the time and I think particularly the reason why book share has stuck by Daisy for basically the last 10 years and so I hope that gives you kind of a framework of what Daisy is, where it's being used, those using it, I kind of thing and next I think we will talk about some of the players that are out there both software and hardware where you can find the Daisy and in the final minutes we will talk about some of those from dolphin and finally we will show you a video that will kind of give you an introduction to our webinar coming up here next week. So right now let's give any of you who have a question the ability to ask. And we will go from there. I think if I press enter on my if there's a question you guys can let me know.

Okay, you're unlocked. Anybody have a question you can either use your mic or use the text check chat.

Up to now, Jeff, no one has posted anything.

Well that's either a good sign or a bad sign, Marisol. It's either interesting, or folks are sitting back possibly eating lunch, drinking coffee I don't know I hope that you all are finding this an interesting time. So, but we will go. Let me lock my key here, once again maybe there will be some idea that that's perfectly fine as well.

Cheryl answered your question. Good overview so far. I think you are doing great. And I agree.

I have a quick question and I may be wrong, my impression is that Daisy is used much more widely and some of the European and Asian countries than in the states. Do you think that's true, and if so, why.

You know, Norm, I think you are correct and I have to be honest I'm not near as familiar with some of the other countries as I am with what's being done here in the US. I do know that it's very prevalent in Europe and I think part of the reason why might be much like what's happened here in the US with other standards as well your member back in the 80s when VCRs, you know the videocassette came out only at the Betamax before that, then we had the video that kind of took over. We know the same thing happening now with Blu-ray Blu-ray has kind of become the prevalent in DVD's. But because there's a lot of competition here and because sometimes people are doing the same thing I think sometimes some of even the best standards might not get the traction that they would in other parts of the world. And one thing that is clear now for anybody who is using Daisy that once they understand it and once they utilize it I think blokes most folks that do are happy with it. It's a wonderful standard and one that I think is going to be around for a long time with you pump three now coming and really Daisy and Daisy becoming one standard it is here to say for that we are pretty thankful I think another problem here in the US what's happened is sometimes the training and the actual promotion of Daisy and the information that's been available as maybe been sometimes a little bit confusing not always straightforward and people have completely understood what Daisy is and why it can't be so effective so I think there's a couple things going on there.

Kimberly asks what is the price for NLS membership?

Good question, Kimberly. I don't think there is a price. NLS membership is free if you qualify. So if you have a vision impairment you can sign up with your local talking book Library. And there is no charge whatsoever to be able to enjoy the national Library service and NLS.

One of the other things that's great about Daisy or some of the other electronic formats that are being put out for people with disabilities is that we can't get a book right away. I can download a book from book share or NLS and have it in a number of minutes the same as you can if you have vision and you are using candle or something you don't even have to go to the store or the library it is sort of very fast. I love it.

I've got to tell you, Norm. I certainly concur with what you are saying there. I'm one of the folks who likes the instant gratification of the books I go to the website, start looking for a book and I find one that I like and I'm like yeah I want to read that a lot of times I will download it and start reading it at night. He used to be again you have to read the catalog and braille and call the library say I'm looking for this book and can you help me find it and if they did they'd have to send it to you it might be a week before you got and by then you've moved onto something else. It's very nice to be able to enjoy the books whenever you want to a vessel you decide to do today about them and now for anybody who's not so familiar with the computer maybe he doesn't want to be the one to have to worry about downloading your books of course for learning ally and of course for an LSU don't have to download your books at all you can actually still call the library or still ordered through the catalog and have your books come in the mail the only different thing now is you get a cartridge it's a little bit smaller I believe then the cases or the old cassette tapes that you got and the cartridge is there you can slide it into the NLS player and it starts playing. So they made a very straightforward and very easy to use from that standpoint. And you can still even if you don't want to have any access to your computer, don't want to worry about downloading files you can still enjoy the high-quality of digital and Daisy and not have to worry about that at all. That's nice. So let me talk about quickly some of the players that are available out there we talked about one that's available from NLS on the hardware side sticking from hardware probably the most popular Daisy player out there just because of its size it because it's been around for a number years is made by human where if that is the V screen, the stream. The nice thing about the stream is not only is it a Daisy player but it's also an MP3 player as well you can play textiles on it and it is portable. There's nothing like a very small portable player that you can fit into your briefcase or purse or whatever it is, I put mine in my laptop bag for travel so any time on the plane or the bus or the train I take out my stream and I can listen to my book. Headphones and again it is digital quality and I can move from chapter to chapter or whatever I need to depending on the kind of book I'm working with. So not only can you play NLS content on your screen, but I believe you could also play learning ally's content as well if you have it in them, usually I think if you order from learning ally you get it on a CD, but if you downloaded the files you would probably be able to use them on there as well. I'm not sure about that they have a key a lot of times depending on who it is that you are working with you get what is called the youth user authorization key, UAK we call it learning ally I know has that and NLS has something similar but it's actually a file you install on the players and that's how you set it up to be able to, that's how they get around the copyrights and things like that so you prove that you qualify to read the books and you get the key and that is how it works. Once you get through that it works beautifully. Anyway that Victor stream is one of the most popular ones. There's also another one called the book sense that is made by hands. If you've heard of that company from Korea. Of course the Victor stream of courses from human ware. There's another one called complex talk that's actually now distributed by freedom scientific at least here in the US. They've been around a long time as well one of the nice things about some of the hardware players is the mentioned not only are they Daisy players but they also play MP3 players and others and they are portable as well. And so that's good and the battery life on these is pretty long as well, so most of the time you can get between 15 and 20 hours, maybe even longer between charges on your battery of some of these, so if you are in the park or on the beach or wherever it is and you need to study or you want to listen to your book of course you can do it. One of the other features of Daisy that we really haven't mentioned as much and this will get it to work the software players because I want to talk to you about those as well is bookmarking capability some of the hardware players can bookmark as well so if you find a place in your book that you want to bookmark and come back to there is a but you can press to book my can it's like turning the corner over of your page like you used to with print books or even with braille books maybe if you did that as well this is just an electronic little marker, so your player remembers where you were and you can come back to it. Particularly nice when you're using textbooks from learning ally to be able to come back if your professor says I need you to be make sure to study in chapter 24 these pages will be on the test you set a bookmark and you just come back to it and any given time. So remember the bookmark for just a second because I want to talk to you about that on the software side as well. If you go to Wikipedia there's about 21 different software Daisy players out there. That surprised me a little bit I know number of them but I didn't know there were that many. Some of them are open source said that kind of things so it is being developed as we speak. But if you think of basically the fact that you can play Daisy about anywhere right now. You can play on your iPhone, your android device as well as on many other devices or computer Mac or Windows PC as well. The thing about playing them on something like your iPhone or a computer, either a Mac or a Windows PC, anything with the screen is a member the third type of Daisy that we talked about the synchronized text and audio so, if you think of somebody who is low vision for example or has another. Disability like dyslexia, Daisy is wonderful in the sense that I was called a multimodal what we are talking about is you can listen to your book is but you can also see the text on screen as well. What happens is it's been highlighted as it is being read. That is how Daisy is set up. So if you need, if you are low vision or you are dyslexic and you need to be looking at the highlight as well as when you are listening Daisy is perfect for that as well. And again if you are working with textbooks and they are set up this way you can actually move by page as well so if the professor in your classes I need you to turn to page 72 you can press a button and move a couple of keys and you are on page 72. It's actually set up like that so you can move between each page in the book as well. Now, on one of the software players we are talking about the software Daisy players now for your Windows PC use the one from Dolphin that is called easy reader. This is a very inexpensive software player it's only $55 for single license, we have site licenses also at a school or university if you find this might be something you want to learn more about or maybe have at your institution we do have a site license and multisite license pricing for it as well. The nice thing about easy reader, dolphin, dolphin we call it the accessible e-book player. It was designed first and foremost to be a Daisy player but we also support HTML, we support unprotected EPUB, RTF files, number of different types of file types are supported. Daisy player but first and foremost it is a Daisy player it's very straightforward, easy to use and if you want to try it again I can remind you to go to our website your dolphin.com look for easy review their under product send you can get a 30 day demo put this in, download it, try it. The nice thing about this as I mentioned to you before let's go back to the bookmarking feature for a second you can bookmark any material that you are looking at and what I like about that we have a feature in easy reader to allow you to do is not only to bookmark, but also to add text to your bookmark. You can name your bookmark and add text notes to as well almost as if you are writing the margin of your book. So if there was something that you needed to come back and study and your professor said this will be on the test you can make notes to yourself within the bookmark and then come back and actually call up those series of bookmarks later and be able to again go back to that part of the book. So, just one of the navigational features of Daisy. Sorry about that. In not in an arena, guys. That was the end of the quarter. That is a dryer buzzer been sounding. We are all good there. Anyway, that is the background of Daisy probably the quick and dirty version of what happens but I would encourage you if this is something that you want to learn more about to utilize the resources that we mentioned to you earlier because there's a lot of information available out there on Daisy. Let's talk about a couple other places where you can actually find a Daisy books the project Gutenberg site, you don't have to be a member as far as I know get a little practice with it and see how Daisy works and solve one of these on your Daisy player and check it out. So again that is project Gutenberg.org is that website and they have a number of books there in the Daisy format. There's a lot more places you can find Daisy as well. You can find those are dolphin website when you are studying easy reader in learning more about that we actually have a link that takes you to more Daisy content so you can actually get some Daisy sample talking points out that website as well. So that's I'm going to encourage you to do is just try it out, learn more about it and see what you think. If it is a format that you haven't utilized up until this point you

 might find particularly for blind, low vision, dyslexic and then the other print disabilities anybody you actually can't turn a page in about, this would be a format that might work very well. Particularly due to the sound quality of the books, the digital quality and then the books come into the text and being able to move by chapter, by section, by page, by sentence, by paragraph. Depending on how the Daisy is set up each book might give you the ability to move by all of the elements that I just mentioned but some of them will be there for sure so you would be able to do that for many of the Daisy talking books that you tried out. And next week we're going to talk a little bit more about if this is something that you are interested in doing at your college or university or agency we actually have schools, tools that allow you to set up a Daisy structure for your self see you don't have to go find on websites for various organizations but you can actually create the Daisy yourself and I think what I want to do here in the time remaining, guys, we've got a video that introduces easy converter and I want to play that so that you all can get an idea of where we are going to go next week. We're going to talk more about easy converter and then about some of our other dolphin products as well. We have about three different Daisy authoring tools and you may find one that does work for you but maybe a couple of the others are the also very interesting tool that I want to tell you more about next week as well that allows you to actually publish your Daisy content and give it to somebody who doesn't have a Daisy player. So we actually have a tool that allows you to not only produce your Daisy material but then to deliver it to anybody who doesn't already have a Daisy player to play on. That's called easy reader express and it's a pretty cool thing we've developed at dolphin. So we will cover all of that next week. We will have a lot more to cover and that will be part two. It will be a little bit more advanced than what we did here this week, so if we could let's fire up the easy converter video and that will at least give you an idea of the kind of thing we are going to talk about next weekend introduce you to one of the products from dolphin.

Hello and welcome to an introduction to dolphin easy converter. Easy converter is your essential toolkit for creating alternative formats. Dolphin understands that we are all unique and have your unique preferences for accessing reading materials. This is especially true for readers with vision impairments, learning difficulties and dyslexia. To reading materials and standard print or PDF formats are often completely inaccessible. To overcome these limitations dolphin computer access has developed easy converter. Easy is a software solution which empowers you to quickly and easily create alternatives MP3 audio, Daisy talking book and braille versions of reading materials. Easy converter is easy to learn for users who are new to create alt formats and is equally suited to experienced professionals looking for a flexible high-quality alt format creation tool. Easy converter is ideal for schools, colleges, universities, government agencies and commercial organizations. The easy converter user interface. They easy converter user interface is simple and easy to use. The interface is separated into three simple stages. In the first stage you can select whether or not you want to create a new product or correct version the second stage allows you to make changes to the structure and format of your document before it can be converted into an alternative format and in the third and final stage you can find all of your alternative format outputs and decide what you want to do with them. We will now go through these three sections and a bit more detail. Starting your conversion. Easy converter walks you through the process of creating alternative formats with step-by-step wizards to show you how. The quick conversion wizard is extremely useful when you only want to create a single alternative format from a well structured source document. On the other hand the new project wizard is useful when you want to convert a document into a number of different alternative formats. Using the new project wizard also allows you to structure and format your document before it is converted into alternative formats. With easy converter you can choose to open either an electronic document or scanned in a hard copy materials using your scanner. A full list of compatible electronic document formats is available on the dolphin website at www.yourdolphin.com/easy converter. The project of you stage. The project of you stage you can edit and structured document in preparation for conversion. If you are scanning a hardcopy document or importing and image-based file such as a PDF or JPEG you can edit your document in easy converter's OCR or optical character recognition editor. Easy converter also allows you to apply and added structural changes to the document in MS Word. Structural changes can include adding formal headings and also adding alternative text descriptions to any image to ensure they are accessible by vision impaired readers. Creating alternative formats. Once your document is fully marked up you can create alternative format versions. Easy converter provides options for you to create your own customized large print MP3 audio, Daisy talking book and standard text versions of reading treeless. As you select a retired alternative format output all of the available settings for the format are listed ensuring that your alternative format is tailored to your readers needs. Once you have created the alternative format output you can find your projects output listed the resulting alternative format section at the bottom of the user interface. With easy converter already materials can be made fully accessible to your readers preferences. The impact easy converter is having in schools, libraries and other organizations means that readers with visual impairments learning difficulties and dyslexia have the same access to reading materials as everyone else. For more information about easy converter visit www.yourdolphin.com/easy converter or call a member of dolphins friendly sales team today. Thank you.

Good work, Jeff. At least for me, I hope it did for everyone else and one of the things I would emphasize---

Hello and welcome to the dolphin video tutorials

Hello and welcome

One of the things that these authoring software's do for you is that you don't need to learn all the technical stuff about dolphin, you just follow the wizard and really very simple, you do not have to learn too much. So who has questions and we will get back to Jeff.

We have two, Norm. Debbie asks can BRN be applied to Daisy like EPUB?

Very good question Debbie the answer is yes absolutely. The tool we offer called often publisher that allows you to create protected Daisy talking books.

 And Catherine says does Kurzweil read basic format?

I don't think so. I think you can produce Daisy, but I don't know that there is a reader that's built into Kurzweil to do it. I don't know for sure, but clearly it's not one of the more popular Daisy readers if it allows you to (inaudible)

Those are the only two questions that we have.

The one thing that I would add, norm, to what you mentioned just a moment ago about when you are using these tools from dolphin you don't have to learn all the technical specifications and details about how it's actually done behind the scenes, absolutely right. The other thing that we found as we were developing easy converter version 5 was, people in previous versions of our software if you've ever seen easy converter before you view some of the older versions and some of the other programs out there as well the confusion has also stemmed around okay I made the conversion, now where did my files go? My produce Daisy talking book were my large print conversion that I created, braille, MP3s, where are they, how do I find them and we hopefully have made that very straightforward with easy converter. We actually, each time we open a new project and step through the process the results either with a Daisy talking book or another type of conversion they are all neatly tucked in a specific folder and it's actually a specific project name that you title the project as, so if you've made a Daisy talking about and then maybe you've made other conversions as well you will find all of them under one folder name. So I hope that makes sense and I will probably be clearer next week as we do that. But we have some people who are using converter product would not only produce Daisy, they might also do large print, they might do braille, MP3 or even just accessible Word documents and we allowed all of those to be used in stored under one direct.

One more question, Jeff. Kimberly asks does dolphin offer training of conversation of its books, I'm sorry, conversion into Daisy.

We do several webinars similar to what we are doing here that step you through the conversion process and show you how to convert books into the Daisy format. There are also many other places where you can get assistance doing this we have videos that are on our site that allow you to do each of the conversions, step you through that process we do have very good documentation built into the product and also additional manuals that we can send out because of the local distributor network has also depending on where you are in the country we have dealers who can train on our products as well.

I put anything in the text chat window and in case people didn't get it all I will repeat it. I'm going to be away most of this next week. I will have e-mail, but I don't think I will be able to use my mass mailing system to send out information about the recording of today. So, where you could go by Wednesday night or Thursday to look for the recording and the text transcription and other links use HTTP://EASi.cc/archives/daisy/plus.resources.htm. Be sure to have the results of this update by Wednesday night or Thursday.

Is there a website, norm, that I can go to if I don't remember the URL?

I will try to send it to you in e-mail. If I don't you can e-mail me for it. I will have my regular e-mail, but not the mass mailing kind of thing.

That was, I was kidding. I just was thinking that as you were talking about that. But this has been great, guys. I really appreciate being here and thank you, norm for inviting me and I really look forward to working again next week. Hope you all will come back and tell others about what we found here today and this is really the best way that we have that dolphin to be able to spread the word about what we are doing. We are a small company. We do have some great dealers who help us out as well, but they can't be everywhere so we appreciate each and every one of you coming on and hopefully becomes interesting and you want to invite your friends back next week, please tell everybody you can about it.

And as Jeff mentioned, Daisy and EPUB three are converging and on 1 May I'm going to talk a little bit about Daisy and also about ePub and a lot of things that are happening in that area I am we are going to want to become familiar with that. A lot of the hardware readers and software readers through Daisy books now handle the job also. That is EPUB two which has limited application. EPUB three is what we are really looking forward to. So EPUB as a mainstream format are converging, EPUB is taking a lot of that information from Daisy, what we've learned about navigation, and so it's a wonderful venture, where mainstream and special accessibility people are helping and supporting each other.

Absolutely right. I think it is good news for us folks who need accessibility built-in. We certainly hope so, anyway. There's a lot of things that still remain inaccessible, a lot of standards that are out there. It's not all going to be you know, completely accessible from here on out at unfortunately but I think it's definitely going to help. And you know now that this kind of thing comes more to the forefront, you know, more into the mainstream I really think that can only help us going forward as far as standards and, you know people at hearing more to the standards when making their books, converting them into electronic format in the first place are producing that way to begin with. So much of the stuff is only, the backend so far and we really hope as we move forward more can be done on the front-end and I think with the onset of feed pump three in the next version of dating Daisy whatever we call it or if it is just one that can only speak positively going forward.

And nobody is quite ready to say it yet, but I will venture to predict that things like the dolphin, Daisy authoring tools will be producing both Daisy and EPUB three in a year or three years, it's hard to know the time frame actually, the book formats are getting even messier at the moment. If you have a nook and you want to find a book and you can find it at Barnes & Noble and you find it on Amazon tough luck you cannot read it on your doc. You've got to read on the Kindle. It is so messy it's as if you went to the bookstore and found a book from one publisher and put on one pair of glasses to read that, and then got another book from another pop publisher and had to read another pair of glasses to read that so they are all doing their own proprietary thing and either they're going to come up with a universal standard or else each of the readers are going to be able to play all of the formats I don't know which way it's going to happen. But nobody is going to stand for the mess we are in at this point.

Jeff, we have one more question from (inaudible)  or one more question file from the publisher and Daisy format which you request a specific audio text for audio in text format?

Well most of my experience penny has unfortunately been that when you ask for your textbook from a publisher you're going to get it in PDF format. And it might be a PDF that is not very accessible. At other times you might have better luck and it might be an accessible PDF, or it may be a word document that's been marked up very well. I don't know any time where you actually get the Daisy book from the publisher. There may be some out there now who are actually doing that, but they are few and far between. That is where our dolphin Daisy authoring tools coming. Because what we do with publisher and with easy converter is we accept PDF source files to be brought in and then marked up or manipulated in such a way that you can produce a clean Daisy talking book as a result of being able to convert.

Let me just report one of the things that I did and I'm sure things will only get easier. I picked up a book I wanted to read and the only way I could find it was in HTML format but I really wanted to have it on my little Victor stream in my pocket, so I paged it into word which kept all the headings from the HTML, then I output through easy producer into a daisy book and then put on the Victor stream and I have a navigable daisy book. So a lot of interesting things can happen and it's going to get better I firmly believe.

Yeah one of the things I was going to mention, norm, about you know when you are talking is the Kindle and e-books versus the proprietary format from Amazon as far as I know now Amazon and the Kindle is about the only format that is not some type of feed pub standard as far as mainstream electronic talking books. But no, my understanding is that is the nook format is a protected e-book format. So mainstream if EPUB three and Daisy really become one you would almost be playing the same type of files on your, what would be the Victor stream that supports the new standard or easy reader or whatever it is the same time you'd be playing on your nook.

 Either they're going to get a universal standard and come to it or else every reader is going to have the ability to read different things. I mean word can't read WordPerfect documents, so one way or another they're going to be the same are going to be able to talk to each other. I am going to talk about some of the mainstream software players, nook, blio Adobe Digital editions and Kindle on 1 May.

Sounds like you have some great stuff coming out again, Norm I'm grateful to be part of this and thank you all today

I want to thank you, Jeff you made it all very clear and if people didn't understand much about Daisy, I'm sure they really got the handle of it now and next week we can look a little bit more about authoring. So I want to thank everybody for coming. And I won't be able to send you mass e-mails until next Sunday night, at the meantime you can go to the website. We should have stuff there by Wednesday night or Thursday morning, so thank you everyone and enjoy the week. Bye-bye.

Take care, guys, thank you again, bye-bye. Thank you, norm and all the other moderators here as well.

Thanks, Jeff, thanks everyone, thanks, Mary, for captioning this webinar for us. Bye-bye, see you next week.